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Last nature is 54, you know? Edit: Would it be OK to delay the draft start till after the tourney on euro-b-net? (Like 20:00 pm gmt)

I really like the "no earth 3" of it.

More players please, there are still slots open. Join the tournament here.

12th pick: Interest

Ahh, so chris changed his mind. Much better. Plz all stay away from nature. ok? Hm. Light, essence or interest.. Ok: 9th Pick: Light 2

All 6? I am disapointed with you. And just to make this clear: Periodics are out, cause holepercent says so. Thanks for that. Now, how do we solve this problem. How can we make this interesting.. Edit 001 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I would like to prevent a hydrochlorics/mire/fanatics. We have 15 picks alltogether, 5 left that are not mine, and it takes only 3 picks to get those. Nature, light, essence or interest are my favourites so far, to keep this a hard build.

While I am slow as a turtle, but persistant and experienced.

The point of this draft is not to win against the map, it's to win against the other players.

Nice one. Maybe try to get it into a form that can be used on the mainpage. Like a guide between my faq (beginners) and my placement guide (special problems). That would be a great help for many players.

Zip is free, rar is not. Use zip.

No. If you could find the guy that did that version, could you ask him what exactly he fixed? Usually those comments are a plain lie. Usually those people go "hey nearly nice, but it has no purple pandas, and wave 20 is to hard, I'll add the panda, and like 2000 start gold, and the map is finally decent"...

2nd pick: Water 3 Strong support comes from this, and it's a decent dmg and pure as well.

A strong host helps a lot. I don't remember having had that lag when hosting myself. And all the occaisions I experienced it wa with an unknown player hosting. Simply play a public game and check if it lags, easy enough to find out.

Dual: Kindle Triples: Polar, Impulse, Quaker

I think upgrading the lightning into a windstorm is stronger. I would drop the ice, and use only the lightning and cannons/arrows till storm. And I wouldn't try to get a level 2 element so soon. Or do you want to build a focused tower at wave 21? Either start more elements on level 1, or just wait with the summoning. What do you think?

That's a known problem/bug: The pb undead routine uses to much cpu, so the game can get very laggy on undead waves. This is why it's a bad idea to play full games for tournaments.

Oh, while I was typing holepercent did an answer. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Welcome to the forums ReignStarz. I don't quite understand your question. Do I get this right: 1.) You think that you need bounce dmg to kill bosses. (I'd say you would be wrong here.) 2.) You think you need electricity towers to kill bosses. (Again, I disagree.) 3.) You want to upgrade an electricity tower to a lightning tower, because you think it's a great tower to have. (And again I don't agree.) If I understood your question right, my answer would be: Electricity is a great tower on it's lowest level. You could use one electricity in a pick game for the waves up to maybe 20 or so (with some help of elemental arrows or cannons ofc, it can't do everything alone.) Or on random, you could build a whole bunch of them for non-earth levels, for even longer into the game, at least till wave 29. But to upgrade electricity into lightning has several bad sideeffects: -You can't boost a lightning tower in 4.0pb (this will change in future versions of the map). -Bounce dmg is a bad version of dmg. Only that lighning has a very high dmg output to begin with, makes this tower valuable. Bounce is worse than single target dmg and far worse than splash. You could argue that ligthning has a high dmg too, but as it can't be boosted and is no splash, other towers will easily do better. -You have to level up both fire and light to level 2. That's much harder than to get more elements on level 1, and many different elements are much stronger than to level up a few. (That's because we didn't manage to fix the ballance of the map yet.) Furthermore: -Electricity is a dmg tower. I never met a player that lost because of the dmg towers, it was allways about the support towers. So what is your build? What elements are you playing? What towers do you use? -Choice of towers is important, but even more important is placement. I have written a (far too long) placement guide, or you can ask about the best placement for towers. Electricity for example belongs on a two pass if you don't use it with massive slowing. -Killing bosses takes single target towers on long pass. If you play on pick and with little slow, your elemental towers will stand on two pass, so you need a lot of elemental arrows on long pass for them. Don't forget to sell the arrows after the boss and get something on two pass for the money instead. You might need to relocate your arrows to bring down the boss. Soo, is any of this helpful? I probably got it all wrong, so tell me more

I'm in too. This sounds like fun, and my semester just ended.

Hey, I finally hit level 100.

How about 4-element-random? And maybe there is a way to make it more clear how to vote for the elements, some sort of agressive blinking or so.

Pick is a bit boring, as the build ballance doesn't work yet, so only one build works well. AR will never work. That's why I'd go for SR or TR (tournament random). And I think you won't find big support for anything easier than vh here. As for seeding, we should discuss that here. We are allready working on that matter and have a nearly finished concept. You can meet me and jolin012 in the irc to discuss seeding.

You are right, you even manage to name the map wrong.

What a great idea. Edit - You will be using 1.21a? Or 1.21b? Or 1.22a?

I like the channel like attack: A tower that does more "whatever effect" when hitting the same target several times. Dunno if thats codable, as 6 towers hitting the same target once should not have the same effect as 1 tower hitting the same target 6 times. As for range, no serious player would choose that tower over speed or dmg in an competitive match. So I'm against a range buff tower.

Different slowing effects allways stacked, so there is no change there. Same slowing effects, like two identical towers, don't stack. (Ice and glacier had the same slowing effect in 3.0). And steam in 3.0 did not stack while kindle in 4.0 does, I have used stacked kindles several times.