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Method - There are cheat comands in the betas. Use -gold for gold, -lumber for lumber, -level for wave. Get big tech, kill ronalds on vh, see if it crashes.

I use them a lot when I'm playing random and get them on 5 or 10. They solo faster than light and dark imo. I would put them exactly on par with water, but don't listen to me, as I was part of the team that designed the current dmg values, so I may be biased.

That's the current version of dtd/mpdtd. Nothing very pro or special about it imo.

They climb cliffs?

Um, isn't that a scret until the draft is over?

lesher - same questions to you?

I am pretty sure you took care of that but just in case: Did you use whosyourdaddy? Did you have lag before it crashed (that is massive tower masses or similiar)? Or did the game just plain crash under very harmless conditions?

I only had time to test the yellow area (5), and only on normal speed. The pathing is different than in 4.0, but not better imo. The creeps take bends on the long straight sections now.

Ok, this one is smaller. Ill take it with me when I'm going to uni today, let it out along the way. Edit - I let it jump into outside freedom along the roadside. More Edit - Guess what, it's gnawing again.. If it wasn't for the teeth, I wouldn't mind some rodent company. I guess if I catch another one, I'll do a short video on how to fire a mouse gun.

Won't install. I guess sp1 is considered the stone age.

Yes, that could work. Or I could take them to the uni (110km) and set them free there. Or send them to sweden maybe? Maybe I could mark mice somehow. A friend suggested textile colours, but those have to be ironed on. Edit - This one looks familiar again. Hm. Maybe next time I will keep it for a while. That makes 7 catches, and at least 3 clearly different mice. Edit - Ok, this is getting more and more suspicious. Sorry about the 9 in the picture, I lost track around 4am, it is the 8th catch: This time I got into the car and brought it like 1km away. The next mouse I get will hopefully look at least a bit different.

I couldn't install silverlight too. And I have no idea why. And the javascipt button on the microsoft page that is supposed to show me the system requirements is not working. Probably it IS working if I don't use firefox, but the good browser. (Does a test.) Yes, the microsoft silverlight page buttons are not working on firefox, only on ie. So much for the compatibility of ms products, I guess I get a "told you so" point.

Sigh. I just saw another one. Or the same one again?

When I returned from uni today: That's the 6th. 24 more and I have a full wave. This one didn't run away so quikly, it sat there and looked at me. Maybe it was lonely? Or cold? Wanted back in? Gnaw my stuff? I have mixed emotions now.. Maybe I took away it's mother.

It's only been a few hours, but something just went snap. Sigh. The last two look suspiciously similiar. Maybe it's the same one twice? I need info on the orientation of mice, maybe they return? I mean, I carry them like 50m away, let them out into some shrubbery that is not directly connected to our garden (they have to pass through a neighbouring parcel if they were to return.. Or maybe it's a family of mice? One mother and her kids? I was away for long enough, it's possible. But then, why are the mice of two clearly different brands? Two families? If this continues this way, with 1-2 mice per day, I can do statistics.

Did I mention that I had a recent internet failure? And did I mention that a certain rodent try to pull a wall nut through a door gap to small for it? Let me show you something. Notice where it had tried to widen the gap by gnawing the door? But I digress. We left the scene when my father and I left the house for some stuff to do, the mouse having been seen in the living room, and two traps set. And when we returned, something wonderfull had happened. Problem was, it was still gnawing in my room. So I bought some material to build a serious rat trap, set the two smaller ones once again, and started to cut a grating into round pieces, ruining my fingers in the process. And it gnawed. For days. Drove me nuts. I paused games to listen, I walked near what I thought was the source of sound, but the rustling and scuttling would end everytime, leaving me without a clue. Finally I decided, that the noises where not coming from inside my room, but from the next room, so I silently walked there and waited. And then it started to gnaw again, I switched on the light, and searched. I found an old bun and some forgotten popcorn remnants, and some ashamed rodent, all inside a collapsable shopping crate, you know, the ones that are made of plastic fencing. I didn't get my camera, I just covered the box, and carried it outside. I closed the door, and started to empty the box, but no rodent remained. Hm. I heard some small animal moving nearby when I started unpacking. Maybe it had left the box when I was busy with the door? I packed the box again and returned inside, hoping for the best. Well. Still it gnawed. One day later, I opened my door and switched on the light, when something small and furry took a look at me, before hiding under some carboard storage sollution. Hm. The same one I tried to remove just recently? Or yet another one? I moved both traps near the crimescene, and gave one of them a new bait, with the freshest ham I've ever eaten. (We are right in the middle of asparagus season here, with potatoes, hollondaise and ham; the latter one doubles as a bait.) It took only a few hours: And another one. Interestingly enough the mouse went for the old bread with aged peanut butter, and not for the fresh ham. Finally silence. Or so I thought. Argh, gnawing, again. I left the traps in place after the last one, but the damn thing enjoyed days of gnawing, and climbing around with tiny claws. For days, again. And just now, bang: This time I gave it a number. I would be happy to believe this was the last one, but somehow I have doubts... The traps are set, and if they should snap again, or some tiny teeth should work their way through something that belongs to me, I'll tell the next chapter.

Didn't have time to check yet.

Hyninn - As allready explained before, I am strongly opposed to making the map easier. It's ok to allow autodouse but only if it does not do a good job. The best option has to be manual douse. This map has to reward skill. And, as allready explained before, the default has to be "on", because that's what all beginners will use. They won't understand what that button does. In fact, they won't even notice the button. And people who care and are able to micro tidal have 10 levels of douse time to switch it off. So imo the only way to go is: Make it a little easier for people without a clue, but let the experts micro the thing as allways.

The following is not the point: <not the point> Silverlight still has no official support for network technology, right? Just kidding, I know it will have eventually. Is it true that silvelight files are twice the size of a flash? So you install smaller, but transfer more when loading the game? As for complexity, have you played gemcraft and mpdtd? They are about the same level as eletd (although not quite). Gemcraft has the gfx power of a decent game, and loads of mechanics going on, and mpdtd has fluent multiplayer action. Also there is gemtd, which is a more or less 100% port of the tft map of the same name. That is: with all the complexity of the towers copied faithfully. But it looks terrible, gemcraft is my reference for looks in flash. If you don't know them, check them out: http://armorgames.com/play/3527/gemcraft-chapter-0 http://www.casualcollective.com/ http://www.gemtowerdefense.com/ Those three games should settle the "it can't be done" or the "it hasn't been done". That's simply not true imo. Flash EleTD is very possible. But all the technology is not the point, as you and I allready pointed out. </not the point> The point is: How do you, or hopefully, how do we market a game on such an unpopular platform? I neither do know a lot about the technical side nor do I care. I do ballance, testing, community management, and game design. And as a community manager I tell you: If people have problems liking us, we are screwed. So the image of silverlight with the endconsumer is the one and only problem here. Right now nobody uses silverlight. Youtube, myspace, myvideo, google video, casual collective, kongregate, armorgames, all flash sites. Silverlight is an upcoming competition on a market dominated by flash. The flash player is on probably over 90% of all machines (adobe claims 98%). 30%, allthough not bad, does not mean 30% use it, they just came across it and didn't uninstall. Installing the player is imo not a minor issue. Not having to install something was the main reason for doing a flash version. Otherwise we could distribute a standalone game. A full EleTD is quite possible in under 2mb. And, if you like it or not, and if it's based on facts and not just weird conspiracy theories or not, microsoft has a bad image. The ammount of people that dislike ms is much bigger than the ammount of people that dislike adobe. Silverlight limits our userbase. It's harder to market a game on silverlight, simple as that. So what are the plans to deal with that? Here is what happened when I heard about silverlight, and what I fear will happen a lot if we do use it: Me: "What's silverlight? Never heard of it." Answer: "It's like flash, only better." Me: "Um, like flash? Why not flash then?" Answer: "It has cool new features and allows for much cooler aplications." Me: "I do happen to know that flash10 is around the corner, so why not use that? That's also much cooler." (Doing some google) Me: "Apparently experts are divided about whether flash10 or silverlight is better. Sounds like basically the same product again. But why should anybody do another flash, if there allready is one? Who is behind this?" Answer: "Well, that's the problem.." In short words: I don't see a difference other than that microsoft want's me to use their version. So basically it boils down to if I like microsoft enough to have the same tehnology twice. Or even shorter: Microsoft says "Please use ours instead, because we say so."

All your points sound very debatable, I found different opinions on all on them. Especially the "I don't know flash 10" leaves you a bit open to criticism. My standard example is the casual collective. They do multiplayer td for ages, and most of the time (lag exists, you know..) it's a smooth run. They have done a dota clone and several other multiplayer games, and also something they call eletd, which is not really it, and only single player. All that in flash 9. (Armorgames and Kongregate are flash too, so if we want to go into other big online gaming sites, we can't do that in silverlight.) I'm no coder, so the technical stuff is mostly lost on me, but obviously it is very possible. I mean, I've been playing mpdtd for years. I can see that you love the toys you get, and I can easily respect that. Still, what I say about "evil marketing schemes" is true, and was true much to often before. You like the tech, I hate the ethics. And I am pretty sure I am not the only one out here. So what do you do to win us over? I think we need a plan for that and that's why I'm giving you a hard time here. You focus on the technical part, the social bit needs to be covered as well. So far I claim a 2-1 for my side. I'm willing to give you "it's so much better for me to use" (that's your personal opinion and ofc true for you), and I get "people hate ms" and "why don't you use flash 10".

Hi kirby. Hows your hand?

I guess we never tested a mapfull of towers, so that's a helpfull find, thanks a lot. The code for gunpowder was changed after the pb, apparently not very succesfull. Do I get this right: Several towers lag for you, and one of them (gunpowder/vulkan) got worse? None got better as far as you know? Others are as bad as allways?

Area 6 beeing is broken, with all the tower building in the elemental summoning area, you know.. And the pathing is broken too. 1811 Etd_41b1c ve_ buildability for 5.w3g I remember telling a certain mapmaker about the buildability issue before this version, it beeing an old issue and all..

In Brules second replay area 7 fails, and It failed for me at 8: 1810 Etd_41b1c e_ area 8 bugs.w3g I played on easy, sinlge player, sxm. Edit - Oh, and the pathing for player 5 is broken, replay here.

After thinking about, I can see some chances here. I would never put it on autocast myself (maybe for some weird ronald hunt..), and whoever wants to won't get any benefit from it other than not having to micro, but at a terrible cost. So autocast on 10 is cool, if and only if I can turn it off. And no, the default should be "on", as that is the beginner friendly setting. You have ages to change that.