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It's allways autosaved as "last replay".

Thanks for reporting. That sounds like a serious bug, and one we never had before. Do you have a replay?

Replay or it didn't happen. And yes, it is good.

I jus noticed that the double no leak (done on the pb) is a 1.21 replay. I guess that's where the lwfn comes from. Try this. I'll do a 4.1 soon.

What gui possibilities do you have? Custom tower grouping with hotkeys possible? Microing impulse to attack long range? You probably have no right click, right?

Doesn't sound good imo. 100% is to weak. To beat 6 ele, you'd have to have more like 400%, our current 200% is a compromise "because is looks right", calculations say something different. Also this sounds like you end up with a number of useless lv2 support towers.

I just tried lwfn on the 4.1 and went impulse first (no interest). Wave 21 is still one hit, so the only problem there is the revive. If you want, I can do a 1.21 replay for you. I completed a game on the second try, so it shouldn't be much work.

I am pretty sure they do run in laps.

It was silent for a few days. Then I heard rustling, and i was pretty sure it was in my room. And I have to admit I threw an empty soda bottle into the direction the noise came from.. Silence for more days. And just now it snapped again. And then it rattled. Got a big one this time: When I tried to record the setting free on video, the mouse refused to jump. Maybe the brown kind doesn't do that as willingly, the grey ones allways did.

About life tower: Do you play them at 5? Gold tower? Electricity? Mushroom? You are aware of the 1100 range placement, right? And about hail: Are the extra shoots wasted if there is only one target? If so, hail has the worst kind of damage and needs to be stronger.

The replay is tft 1.23 and eletd 4.0. You don't have the 1.23?

Disease - In beta version this was crap, now it's ridiculously powerful. The first units in line are usually killed quite easily (so corpses are available immediately), and each explosion deals an average of 5000 damage!!! Lower explosion damage from 1000 to 750. Try to win a game with disease as a dmg tower. You can race a few waves, and then? Nobody ever managed to put it to use mid- or lategame. Electricity - Its overall damage is lower than most towers, even supposing it hits all target every time. Increase initial damage from 333 to 363 (you like number 3 right? ) You are aware that this tower has 1100 range and can hit 1-2 outer lanes from the middle? Flame - Its overall damage is very low. If that wasn't bad enough, being damage over time, most of it is not dealt if the unit dies sooner. I see continuously this tower attack a unit 2-3 times when a single attack would be enough to kill it after 5 seconds. Buff damage from 120 to 150. I have a feeling this one is true, but I'm not sure. Radius - This was heavily underpowered in 4.0, but I still have to test it in 4.1 I used it loads in 4.0, and it rocks.

I think the power of that build is tidal/impulse/well. In 4.0 the support is weakened a lot, level 1 triple support probably makes no sense until midgame or later, so nova and windstorm won't save your day. But dual support - well in this case - is strong from early on. Tidal is a tricky tower, its special attack has to be used manually, and for me it works best on long pass. Impulse has its weaknesses too. As any tower, it's only great if you max it out quick. I constantly micro it, because it only does decent damage to distant targets, and basically none to close ones. So I'm right-clicking all the time, then firing the tidal, then impulse clicking again, and try to sqeeze in a tornado movement to max slow. It's a hectic build. As for placement, impulse right in the middle, at 5. Tidal on long pass, so at 5. Support close by, especially nova at 5. So, um, all at 5? The build: If you need an interest, take it first. After that light is probably your best choice (earth is better, but your build doesn't have earth). Wave 11 is earth, but all other eles have a weak wave too here. Since impulse has no light, your first triple would be a tidal. Wave 25 and 29 would require a bunch of light arrows maybe. Or you go water at 10, leading to problems at 12, and fire at 15, making 16 a problem, getting impulse complete at 20, only to face 21 - fire undead, which is basically the anti impulse wave. You'll probably survive, as a lv.1 tripple is still strong on 21, and you should have money for some water cannons. Or you drop interest at all, and just win. Master did a good replay with that. He did improvents on impulse placement (I'm using that now) and incorporated 4.x ice (it's light and aoe, unlike in the pb): >>Click here, I am a replay.<<

I'll hop over to inWarcraft.de and bump the eletd 4.0 thread. No, rename and bump it.

Master - I want to see your laser hunt. I have doubts that it will work as well as zealot, but I'm allways happy about a good hunt. Fill a big bucket with red noses for me pls.

The 6-ele one is nice.

They look the same.

I don't see why we should discuss silverlight here. We allready did far to much. We need to discuss contract terms now. It's possible that there can be no contract that is acceptable for both sides. A contract that can't be ended by our side is not acceptable to me.

We didn't start looking for flash coders yet, so yes, before we looked, we didn't manage to find one. You seem sure that eletd is impossible on flash. I don't know that, as you are the only one to say so (the casual collective guys say they could do it, they just don't want to or don't have time or the kids are sick or whatever). And you don't know the possibilities of flash 10. So I don't fear the doability at all, and it's not my problem. Same forums? So you are asking our comunity of us? And ofc the right to have eletd (eternally). Imo there has to be a legit way to end this cooperation for both sides. As I see it you can delete all files any time, clean out the server, and you are out of the deal. What about us? What would be an acceptable exit plan for our side? A minumum contract time? A notice period for cancellation?

Kara never started to look for people. He asked like 4 times, and you happen to be the first to say yes. I guess it's safe to assume that you are not the best option. So you expect a version and our community. Flash and silverlight are not different. Both are in-browser gaming. If we do parallel versions, we are competition. That sounds like a big risk for us, and like a possible hostile split of the community. We would have two forums, two leagues, two sets of tournaments, and probably two different versions, as I doubt they will be the same. This sounds a lot like you are getting all of our game. If you keep developing your version into a different direction, then you would be doing an own version outside of our controll. And if we have to support you to keep your version up to date, while we are in reality focussing on a different project, and think you are a lost cause, or even competition (you know, the enemy.. ), we are basically working for the other team. That's a lot that you ask here. Basically all we have got, as I see it.

Silverlight is no new market. So please. Thats the bit that I am worried about. Please adress it. If you do a port and we end up unhappy, for reasons beyond your controll, like us beeing bitchy because we think that silverlight fails, what do you do? Are you willing to risk your work on our one sided not-agreed upon judgement that you think is wrong? And if not, what is your plan?

Did a first test. VE, area 7, 2k ronalds, no problem.

Buildability 1- 8 (tested only upper region): Result good Area 1 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Only slight bends now, so overall good pathing, but there is room for small improvements Area 2 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): A bit better than 1 maybe. Area 3 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, as good as 1. Area 4 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, better than one 1, worse than 2 I guess. Area 5 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, as good as 1. Area 6 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, slightly better than one 1, Area 7 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, about as good as 6. Area 8 Pathing (no slow, only normal creeps): Slight bends, as good as 1.

Maybe you had it in the wrong folder. Where did you place the map on the first attempt?

So - what now. xen - I really want to know what you think. Let's assume for a moment that it will work. You do a great port, and silverlight is da bomb. Then all is fine and there is cake, right? You can quit school/job, and all are happy. I will shut up and get a silverlight tatoo (well, maybe a temptoo). No problem here. And what do we do if not? If noone cares for a great game on an unpopular platform? Or if I am right and people won't play it when it's on a ms system? Are you willing to switch plattform? Or do we call it a day and part ways and someone else does it on flash then? And how do we find out? What if after 3 years we have 30000 registered users? Would you accept if we say "thats not enough for us, sorry"? Or are we going to fight then, over "what about all the work we put into this" (and both sides will say that ofc) and "it's your fault, because you didn't advertise/code/design/test/ballance/paint/fry it properly". Do you have a solid exit strategy? Do we have one? Oh, and maybe for some reason silverlight will be slightly weird on firefox. Or will run slow on Mac. Each and every more or less comlex website has to be done in at least 2 versions, because for some reason, no browser can display html (and netscape is about as guilty as ms here). Are you prepared to do several versions of the game if that happens? What are the plans? I want plans.