Karawasa

I skimmed your post and here is my response... -The food bug has been resolved for 17b. -I'm changing the ratio to 1/2 for all levels, that means two clones per one real. The numbers add up as follows: Clone is a 100% buff to damage for the duration it is out. Level 1 is two clones for 15 seconds each, is 100% damage buff for 30 seconds, out of 120 seconds this is 1/4 ratio and thus 25% boost. Level 2 and 3 follow the same logic and end up with 50% and 200%. -The abuse you mentioned is a byproduct of making it such that clones don't cost food. It is not able to be countered with the solution you proposed, because I don't know how to code the solution you propose. Also, if you sell a Well/Blacksmith tower the buffs do NOT disappear...

Saturday works fine; I'm looking forward to this.

I'm happy to present to you guys the seventeenth beta. More bug fixes, balance changes, and some cosmetic improvements. In the absence of serious problems, Beta 18 will be the equivalent of 4.0 RC (release candidate). Get the beta here: http://www.eletd.com/beta You must use the following info: Username: tester Password: carleton First: In order to play the beta, you must type -carleton before the first round spawns. If you do not do so, the game will end. Make sure to put to good use the -level, -gold, and -lumber commands. Also use the -start xx, and -stop(if you need to) commands. Second: The following things are no cause for concern: Third: Things to test: -Trickery Tower working as it should? -Thoughts on Flesh Golem? -Hydro stacking? -BALANCE! Fourth: Here is the changelog: -Trickery now uses a ratio system to control clones instead of a buff on towers you target, for instance level 1 you cannot have less than 0.8 ratio of real/clone meaning not more than 2 clones for every 1 real of a specific tower type, this prevents abuse on pures etc. and also sell/rebuild to clear marker on tower -Fixed the Conjure level bug for Mirage/Eidolon Tower -Clones cannot sell anymore, but you can still group real/clone and sell the real easily -Trickery now autocasts by default when built -Darkness buffed to 151 damage up from 141 -Earth buffed to 29 damage up from 27 -Frostbite duration buffed to 15 seconds up from 10 -Quaker now 33% chance to do 3200 damage from 25% to do 3500 -Flesh Golem movespeed nerfed to 450 down from 522, blink now has "strategic delay" it moves 500 range per second -Erupt (Hydro Tower) buffed to 2000 damage up from 1500, can now stack -Shrapnade (Gunpowder Tower) buffed to 150 damage up from 125, max fragment spread reduced to 100 down from 150 -Life Tower changed to 1500 damage/1.5 speed from 1000 damage/1 speed -Gold Tower changed to 6000 damage/1.5 speed from 4000 damage/1 speed -Summon (Oblivion Tower) changed to minion every 15 seconds with 45 duration, from every 10 and 30 seconds, minions now move at 450 up from 400 -Drowning Tower changed to 2640 damage and 0.66 speed, from 4000 damage and 1 speed -Focus (Laser Tower) changed to 600/distance up from 500/distance -Quantum Beam (Quark Tower) changed to 25% and 8 levels, from 22 and 9 -Wrath (Zealot Tower) changed to 18% and 14 levels, from 12 and 20 -Disease buffed to 900 range up from 500 -Flamethrower now 0.66 speed, 1980 damage, 1.32 second duration on Napalm (for fast attack stun bug reasons) -Fixed the Gunpowder hurting buildings bug (hopefully) -Various text fixes (thanks echinodermata)

It can't target any of the "support" towers, the same as Blacksmith and Well.

Cisz, I'd recommend just deleting all posts along with the user immediately if it is clearly spam.

I am planning to work with a couple of well respected English flash developers to create a faithful flash version in the coming months.

The reason I proposed my change is as follows: Poison = D = AoE for Darkness is unique, fixes Ice/Poison redundancy Magic = F = Single for Fire is unique Kindle = W = Redundant with Tornado, but not as bad because dual/triple instead of dual/dual More importantly is whether the builds will continue to be balanced regarding damage types.

You'd get 10 assuming you had 40 or less to begin with.

I have no idea how to do cinematics...this would be an epic undertaking. Also I think the element aspect won't work because it is research based and can't be downgraded...

If you could post the replay in the game reports forum (in beta section) that would be great...

Ideally the meeting would take place between UTC 16:00-22:00. Otherwise I can come on at another time if need be...

MrChak left 2.0 unprotected, as he was done with the game. I believe he hoped others would take over or learn from the game. In that regards I don't think he would have viewed 2.5 as a fake or bad version. 2.5 was around for quite awhile, and I played it from time to time. Far as I know there weren't any cheats, and the guy who did it was simply trying to improve the game (and did a good job). Now it isn't "official" but it is definitely acceptable. My stance is different in some regards. As long as I (and thus us) are actively working on the map, I want it to be the "official" map. I'm honored (and you guys should be too) that MrChak has entrusted us to carry on the torch. There are plenty of good reasons to protect the map, and if someone wants to legitimately learn they should come here. So regarding that I would consider any hacked or deprotected version (3.0 and beyond) to be "unofficial" of course, but furthermore fake and therefore something to look down upon. Like MrChak though, should I cease to develop Element TD (such as say SC2...) I shall concurrently release the open-source along with my final version.

Shall we go with Saturday then? What UTC time shall we use? I really would like to have most (if not all) active leaders present so we can make significant progress.

Friends are fine...I'm just concerned about it being hosted publicly or uploaded on one of those map databases.

Unfortunately I am quite busy, so in the interest of time I will post ETD triggers relating to this in the hopes you can figure it out. On a side note: The first trigger was recently modified hastily and perhaps rather inefficient... Upgrade Size Events Unit - A unit Begins an upgrade Unit - A unit Cancels an upgrade Conditions Actions Unit - Remove Fire Up (Level 1) buff from (Triggering unit) Unit - Remove Fire Up (Level 2) buff from (Triggering unit) Unit - Remove Fire Up (Level 3) buff from (Triggering unit) Unit - Remove Spring Forward (Level 1) buff from (Triggering unit) Unit - Remove Spring Forward (Level 2) buff from (Triggering unit) Unit - Remove Spring Forward (Level 3) buff from (Triggering unit) Animation - Change (Triggering unit)'s size to ((Real((Point-value of (Triggering unit))))%, (Real((Point-value of (Triggering unit))))%, (Real((Point-value of (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)))))%) of its original size Upgrade Tower Abilitites 2 Events Unit - A unit Finishes an upgrade Unit - A unit enters (Playable map area) Conditions ((Triggering unit) is A structure) Equal to True Actions If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions) If - Conditions Or - Any (Conditions) are true Conditions (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Forge Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Lightning Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Electron Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Solar Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Spout Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Freezing Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Vapor Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Eternal Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Pollution Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Mirage Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Decay Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Spring Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Electron Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Mortar Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Hydrochloric Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Incantation Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Flamespewer Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Wealth Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Velocity Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Phasor Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Orbit Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Mire Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Supernova Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Ice Age Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Earthshaker Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Thorns Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Witchcraft Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Monsoon Tower (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Comet Tower Then - Actions Unit - Set level of Fire Up for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Conjure Lightning for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Sunburn for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Erupt for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Frost Helix for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Roast for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Afterlife for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Contamination for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Conjure for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Corpse Explosion for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Spring Forward for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Shrapnade for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Spew Acid for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Faerie Fire (Custom) for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Napalm for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Impetus for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Focus for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Sludge for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Explode for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Frostbite for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Pulverize (Custom) for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Gaia's Wrath for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Maledict for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Tornado for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Set level of Arbitrage for (Triggering unit) to 2 Unit - Pause (Triggering unit) Unit - Unpause (Triggering unit) Else - Actions

This additional quick release comes to fix a few things in B16b. Changelog: -Flesh Golem reworked (see below) -Clones now get support buffs if cloned tower has them -Periodic build time increased to 10 seconds up from 5 (now equal to Pures) -Only Smith/Well buffs cleared upon upgrade/cancel now (so no more clone abuse) -Fixed Napalm tooltip to reflect 0.62 **Flesh Golem** -6000 base damage -522 (i.e. max) movespeed -1000 range blink with 10 sec cd

Glad to hear you're back. I too would be interested in having a meeting soon. If we take care of this by Saturday, then I'll have time to work on the changes and release B17 around Sunday. Today isn't such a great day, but tomorrow I will be free from 18:00-22:00. Friday I will be free 0:00-4:00. Saturday I'll be free 18:00-0:00.

No abilities on single element towers.

1200 range...hot or not?

I should be able to make it so that when a tower is cloned apply its buffs to clone. Other bug(s) should be fixed... Would need to test what exact value would mimic real autocast. It is weird that real autocast has larger AoE even though same value...perhaps use -range to get a good estimate.

This quick release fixes three issues found in B16. Changelog: -Fixed the double elemental bug -Napalm effect duration buffed to 0.62 seconds up from 0.3 -Fixed Flesh Golem

Bump! Let's make this happen. I'd like to have a meeting with all active leaders regarding the state of balance. Can we shoot to make this happen within a week, preferably sooner? You may have noticed the news update on the site. I am aiming for a November release for 4.0. I feel enough time has passed, too much time in fact. The release does not have to be perfect, we can do 4.1, 4.2...etc. much more rapidly. I don't think we are that far off to be honest. There are some balance issues to resolve, a couple of outstanding bugs, and a few cosmetic issues. With good and steady input regarding these end stage items I think a mid November release is reasonable. We are here again, the "big push" so to speak. Hopefully this shall be our last one, until SC2...

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I'm happy to present to you guys the sixteenth beta. This one has some essential bug fixes, a good amount of balance changes, and some cosmetic improvements. Race Mode finally makes an appearance, and with that new content is essentially done. Get the beta here: http://www.eletd.com/beta You must use the following info: Username: tester Password: carleton First: In order to play the beta, you must type -carleton before the first round spawns. If you do not do so, the game will end. Make sure to put to good use the -level, -gold, and -lumber commands. Also use the -start xx, and -stop(if you need to) commands. Second: The following things are no cause for concern: Third: Things to test: -Test Race Mode. Do you like it? Any bugs? -Like the new host dialog structure? -Is Extreme Mode more viable now? -Test Flesh Golem? Is it strong enough? Bug free? -Are the changes to Super Weapons enough? I feel all the abilities are solid and the announcement adds more intensity and visibility. -Radius/Orbit Tower hot or not? -Undead still walking backwards? -Cloned Pures/Periodics working? -BALANCE! Fourth: Here is the changelog: -Race Elimination implemented into the game -Extreme Mode speed bonus nerfed to 50 down from 100 (to make it a more viable option) -Dialog menu restructured to give host option to select/skip additional modes (SW, EX, Race Elimination - RE) -When a player casts a spell in Super Weapons mode it is now announced -Jinx/Hex renamed/remodeled/reiconed to Radius/Orbit -Slight modification to reincarnation trigger hopefully fixing undead backwards bug -Fixed essence bug with cloned pure/periodic -Fixed Fire Up bonus for Dragon Minions (it was using old 3000 damage values) -Napalm trigger optimized to be more accurate (timer instead of wait) -Slight performance optimization to interest trigger -Waygate now shifts camera view between builder and bringer -Flesh Golem buffed to 6000/3000 from 4000/2000 -Blacksmith/Trickery/Well buffed to 1000 damage up from 500 -Quark Tower buffed to 22% bonus per attack, max 9 levels from 11% and 18 levels -Flamethrower changed to 0.31 speed and 930 damage -Armorer/Inciter (SW Mode) now immobile, larger scaling value, AoE of aura buffed to 1800 up from 1500, give buff effect to creeps and also have an effect when summoned

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